ComradeSharkfucker

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  • ComradeSharkfucker@lemmy.mlto Memes of Production@quokk.auChinese Characteristics
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    22 hours ago

    Hard to answer in concrete terms a question I don’t know the answer to. Like I said I am not an expert in the organization of the CPC and the levels of democratic participation its members have. Instead of debating whether or not their system is capitalist, which we clearly have opinions on that aren’t reconcilable through short internet argumentation, I asked you to compare the most basic features of their system to your own and decide which you considered more democratic (or more proletarian). I didn’t want to spend the hours of research it would take to answer you question in full because I didn’t and still do not consider it worth it.

    I disagree with your statement that the CPC is not Marxist and considering their stated position is that they are, the burden of proof is on you here. I do consider them somewhat revisionist but considering their success and the size of their society I think its uncouth for me, a westerner from a country with 0 successful marxist projects to criticize them harshly. I take the wait and see approach. So far it has worked out. It doesn’t make sense for a capitalist state to encourage democratic participation nor does it make sense for them to prioritize political education as China very clearly does. You can get a degree in marxist political economy, many Chinese people do this and as someone who has spoken about the subject with them, they understand it VERY well.

    You should really read state and revolution if you haven’t already. Your belief that marxism-leninism relies on the bureaucratic class dissolving itself and handing power back to the proletariat indicates that you have not or atleast didn’t understand it.

    capitalist-socialist ideology

    This is a nonsense term



  • Fuck if I know, I don’t live there and I am not an expert. I can guarantee however, it is more say than you have over your economy. The CPC is a vast political organ with over 100 million active members. Most people are satisfied with it as well.

    Are you a participating member of a political party that directly controls your national economy? Do you feel like your state encourages you to do so? Are you satisfied with the ones that exist?








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    As of 2017, the People’s Republic of China has more state-owned enterprises (SOEs) than any other country, and the most SOEs among large national companies. As of the end of 2019, China’s SOEs represented 4.5% of the global economy and the total assets of all China’s SOEs, including those operating in the financial sector, reached US$78.08 trillion

    State-owned enterprises accounted for over 60% of China’s market capitalization in 2019

    SOEs continue to support stability through providing employment and maintaining low prices for key economic inputs. SOEs spend much of their investment on infrastructure development in China’s less developed interior provinces, and therefore also perform a redistributive role.

    SOEs have monopolies in the industries of telecommunications, military equipment, railroads, tobacco, petroleum, and electric power. SOEs have a primary role in China’s energy sector.

    Most Chinese universities are SOEs.

    SOEs are important to major government initiatives including the targeted poverty alleviation campaign, Made in China 2025, and the Belt and Road Initiative. China’s SOEs are at the forefront of global seaport construction, and most new ports built by them are part of the BRI. State-owned banks are important sources of funding for port construction.

    In addition to their own operations, SOEs invest in private enterprises. From the perspective of these private enterprises, this form of partial state ownership is helpful in obtaining financing from banks, particularly as prompts banks to require less collateral. Sometimes in investing in private enterprises, SOEs acquire enough shares to nationalize them. Over the period 2018–2020, 109 publicly traded enterprises with more than $100 billion in collective total assets were nationalized in this way

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    TLDR: The most important parts of the Chinese economy are fully state owned and many less important parts partly state owned. This allows the Chinese state to insure that the peoples’ hard needs are met while allowing market forces to direct the distribution of soft needs. This is something the USSR really struggled to do and led to a fetishization of western material culture. Markets existed before capitalism and they will likely exist after, there is just no reason for them to be the basis of social organization.

    You should start reading their 5-year plans and comparing it to where they are 5 years from that plan. They are open about their intentions and typically exceed their goals.

    They are pushing for a less market driven economy as we speak and regularly treat their bourgeois in a way that indicates the ruling class is not capitalist.